Msha can go to hell when found the story of black hard hat and discrimination of volunteers &helpers or anyone that gets involved in mine related activities.
I also suggest that everyone does take the time to go to OSHA.gov. Those that do will read under the title on their home page there that OSHA.gov is a private company and that they are in NO way associated with any Government Agency.
Your very first comment is wrong. MSHA does not "hire" or "certify" safety instructors. Secondly, what is MSHA's "Safety Program" proven to save lives? Where can I download this program? Thirdly, OSHA's 10 and 30 hour classes are recognized throughout the country. Lastly, you CAN make up your own MSHA certificate (5000-23) as long as MSHA approves it.
Go to OSHA.gov, click training, and learn how to become an authorized OSHA trainer. It's not hard to find. It takes twice as long to become an OSHA trainer than it does an MSHA trainer. Also, your terminology is completely wrong. No one is a "certified" trainer. You can call yourself an authorized or approved trainer, but not certified.
I'm an unlimited MSHA instructor. I am also an OSHA construction instructor. OSHA 10 or 30? Ever heard of those? MSHA is more stringent with their training requirements. With part 48, that is. Part 46 is a joke written by fools. However, you make it sound as though OSHA is a meaningless organization, they're not. Someday, sooner than later, an OSHA 10 will be a requirement.
OSHA writes the regulations that all companies in the industry must follow. There are books of them. They do not train at all. They require all companies to know and abide by the regulations they are responsible for. What they do is they come in when there is an accident or injury, evaluate the situation, and issue citations based on the regulations that were broken. Each company then is responsible for training their employees on the regulations that pertain to them. That is how it works.
Who regulates the safety of the construction industry, such as construction of residential and commercial building projects, OSHA or MSHA? A simple question needs a simple answer.
If OSHA trains and certifies instructors, you should be able to show me the website describing the process to become a certified instructor. The process you went through to get your certification. The truth is, everybody is authorized to train OSHA. They have no legal value.
MSHA certificates can only be issued by "certified" MSHA instructors. It is a felony to fake an MSHA certificate. You cannot go onto a mine site without one – above ground or below ground. That is the law.
Haven't you ever heard about The OSHA-10 and OSHA-30 Cards?! I'm sure you have and the question now is who issues them certificate cards?! The answer is an OSHA Authorizes Trainer an I am one of them! So yes, OSHA does train instructors and issue safety certificates. MSHA doesn't deal with the above ground building construction industry, and I've never seen or heard of an MSHA agent or officer visited such a construction jobsite ever.
Not so. There are more above ground mines than underground mines. MSHA trains instructors who issue a Federal certificate with a federal number on it as with all other federal documentation. OSHA does not train instructors nor do they issue safety certificates. OSHA creates regulations. Those who train OSHA regulations do so on their own and are not affiliated with nor approved to do so by OSHA.
I wouldn't say that buddy. OSHA and MSHA have two different programs, two different approaches but the same goal. MSHA is mainly deals with mines environment and related health issues. OSHA is dealing with mainly above ground construction including excavation and confined space.
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Msha can go to hell when found the story of black hard hat and discrimination of volunteers &helpers or anyone that gets involved in mine related activities.
anyone purposely wearing a hard hat in their profile pic, should just chill out a little. LOL
This guy does'n know what he is talking about!
I also suggest that everyone does take the time to go to OSHA.gov. Those that do will read under the title on their home page there that OSHA.gov is a private company and that they are in NO way associated with any Government Agency.
Your very first comment is wrong. MSHA does not "hire" or "certify" safety instructors. Secondly, what is MSHA's "Safety Program" proven to save lives? Where can I download this program? Thirdly, OSHA's 10 and 30 hour classes are recognized throughout the country. Lastly, you CAN make up your own MSHA certificate (5000-23) as long as MSHA approves it.
Go to OSHA.gov, click training, and learn how to become an authorized OSHA trainer. It's not hard to find. It takes twice as long to become an OSHA trainer than it does an MSHA trainer.
Also, your terminology is completely wrong. No one is a "certified" trainer. You can call yourself an authorized or approved trainer, but not certified.
I'm an unlimited MSHA instructor. I am also an OSHA construction instructor. OSHA 10 or 30? Ever heard of those?
MSHA is more stringent with their training requirements. With part 48, that is. Part 46 is a joke written by fools. However, you make it sound as though OSHA is a meaningless organization, they're not. Someday, sooner than later, an OSHA 10 will be a requirement.
…and MSHA?! Do they regulate other than mines?!
OSHA writes the regulations that all companies in the industry must follow. There are books of them. They do not train at all. They require all companies to know and abide by the regulations they are responsible for. What they do is they come in when there is an accident or injury, evaluate the situation, and issue citations based on the regulations that were broken. Each company then is responsible for training their employees on the regulations that pertain to them. That is how it works.
Who regulates the safety of the construction industry, such as construction of residential and commercial building projects, OSHA or MSHA? A simple question needs a simple answer.
If OSHA trains and certifies instructors, you should be able to show me the website describing the process to become a certified instructor. The process you went through to get your certification. The truth is, everybody is authorized to train OSHA. They have no legal value.
MSHA certificates can only be issued by "certified" MSHA instructors. It is a felony to fake an MSHA certificate. You cannot go onto a mine site without one – above ground or below ground. That is the law.
Haven't you ever heard about The OSHA-10 and OSHA-30 Cards?! I'm sure you have and the question now is who issues them certificate cards?! The answer is an OSHA Authorizes Trainer an I am one of them! So yes, OSHA does train instructors and issue safety certificates. MSHA doesn't deal with the above ground building construction industry, and I've never seen or heard of an MSHA agent or officer visited such a construction jobsite ever.
Not so. There are more above ground mines than underground mines. MSHA trains instructors who issue a Federal certificate with a federal number on it as with all other federal documentation. OSHA does not train instructors nor do they issue safety certificates. OSHA creates regulations. Those who train OSHA regulations do so on their own and are not affiliated with nor approved to do so by OSHA.
I wouldn't say that buddy. OSHA and MSHA have two different programs, two different approaches but the same goal. MSHA is mainly deals with mines environment and related health issues. OSHA is dealing with mainly above ground construction including excavation and confined space.